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Alert! Blog & Feedback
We have had a number of members suggest that we should stop allowing people into Alert! wearing scally gear. We want to put that question to the vote before we make a decision. Should we continue to allow scally gear? (We want to stress that no decision has yet been taken and as such Scallies are still very welcome at Alert!).
The poll closed on Wednesday 27th Feb 2008
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SkinAvenger
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Hey guys, I’ve been reading this discussion with great interest and it seems to me that a few points need to be made or have been missed. 1) Credit should be given to the organizers of Alert! for having the guts to raise the discussion in the first place. Many clubs/pubs impose changes without any form of consultation. At least this way scallys and non-scallys alike have had a chance to express their thoughts. I really don’t see why so many people are complaining about this debate – I applaud it! 2) I would hate for the dress code to be dropped or loosened. I remember what Alert was like before the dress code, with ‘undesirables’ wandering in from the street to laugh at those who had made an effort to wear fetish gear. The only way to filter out these people is on grounds of dress (you can’t SEE someone’s intention)– and the dress code then needs definition, to be finite. All this talk about “it’s not the clothes you wear but why you wear them” might be fine for a philosophy lecture but it is hardly an ethos to run a fetish night. The clothes ARE the outward expression of the fetish. That’s the whole point. What you do in those clothes is up to you. Look at all the comments that say “I like the scally look” – people are not saying “I like that person’s underlying philosophy and reasons for opting for those clothes, which clearly represent their socio-economic and political views,” they are saying, “I like that look, it makes me horny and I’d like to have sex with that person”. When I put on rubber, I do it because I like it, because it makes me horny and yeah, sometimes, because others find it a bit shocking. 3) If people don’t like Alert then they can go somewhere else. The night IS a fetish night, and the best we have in the North of the country and personally I think we should all support it – after all, the guys put in loads of effort to keep it going and we should all ask ourselves where we’d go, and when we’d wear our kit, whatever that kit may be, if Alert wasn’t around. So I say good on you for opening the debate. It is good to keep asking “is what you are doing what people want?” and allowing us all to express our views! Oh, and a final comment, I don’t have a preference regarding whether or not scallys should be allowed, as long as they make an effort and have the right attitude, and I say the same about rubber, leather., sportswear, uniform etc.
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Ian
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OIt is clear to see that from some of the comments made, that there is a big lack of understanding of the scally fetish. Yeah it maybe the case with some lads that there gear is from primark as one person put it, but this shows to me they just dont understand. I can safely state that my scally gear doent come cheap, it probably costs more than most of the rubber and leather gear worn at alert. For example trackie £169, top £60, rockies £170 that dont include my cap or my socks. so come on guys dont show your ignorance and please take time to understand that scally is a fetish whether you want to believe that or not and it certainly dont come cheap.
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Scallydandan
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OK well I hope the information helps in making your decisions and good luck going forward. x
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Chrismanch
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My fetish is bondage with a bit of S&M on the side. What would attract me to a fetish night is meeting snd mixing with like-minded people with similar or different fetishes which is why I seldom go to Alert. Alert seems to be ALL about what you are wearing, which is little different from the Prada label queens of the village. To me, its about what you are into, not what you are wearing.
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Scallydandan
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I think it’s wise to look at this situation from a slightly different persepective for a moment. Opening the Scally versus Alert issue up to the public vote is a very bad move that has the potential to create a division within the night and also to polarize the views of punters. This could create an air of negativity within the night itself and surrounding public perception of it and consequently could negatively impact on the success of alert and see a depreciation in crowd turnout. Democracy can be a very good thing, and taking onboard the views of your regulars is generally good business savvy. I sincerely believe that you have created this poll and debate with good intentions to be fair to all, but this will come at a price, for when you are asking people to select which side of the camp they fall into (are you for scally or against it?) two political parties are created. There will be those who are scallies alongside those who may attend in leather and rubber but get turned on by scallies with people who prefer a diverse night, and you will have those who aren’t attracted to scallies and want alert to be leather/rubber/skin only, and with the vote neck-and-neck whatever decision Alert now makes, has the potential for alienating half of its patrons. Bad times. But let’s look at the underlying issue here. Some Alert atendees have suggested to the organisers that they would like to see Alert without scally wear, the motivation for their dislike is unimportant, and debating it will not change their views, if anything it will make them more rigid. What I find interesting is why the organisers are paying heed to intolerant people? I feel a fetish night, particularly one which attracts a predominantly (but not exclusively) local clientele, should be striving to create a safe space for people to express and experiment with their fantasies using whatever mode that person chooses. At the same time the club night organisers in my opinion should create the club THEY want, and if people don’t like it then tough shit. If you want to have a fisting floorshow to the Dance of the Sugarplum Fairy then so be it it’s your night. Make your own decisions and create the night that YOU think is perfect. Designing a night by popular consensus will only lead to watered down direction and in attempting to please everybody you will make nobody happy because it will be middle of the road and will suffer a lack in it’s own originality and innovation. With the chance now that by making a decision for or against scallygear that you could ruin the positive atmosphere, may I suggest a third option? At Alert I would really love to see a progressive and responsive door policy, more in line with fetish nights on the continent than those in London. By this I mean, anybody who has come out for a fetish night (in whatever fetish wear they wish to participate in - trackies, trenchcoat, trellchem or tutu) should be allowed entry to the night.
Diversity here is the key to creating a popular local fetish night that can grow to the next level and create a culture of positivity and experimentation. Trying to become like Hard-on will have devastating consequences, as the Manchester fetish scene is vastly smaller and with the exception of Pride doesn’t attempt as many sex-tourists, so a dwarved local imprint will always be unsatisfying. If people want to go to Hard-on, then there are great public transport links between Manchester and London. By offering something different and more diverse with a bit more colour and panache I think you stand of chance of building up a successful empire. The contrast in alert works really well, if it was monochromatic and only guys in leather or rubber gear, these guys wouldn’t look so enticing as everybody would look the same, and the attraction would wear off. People who attend alert all share a common passion for sexual activities that fall outside of the missionary, we should be united by this. The whole argument is about surface, and whilst gear is a big part of fetish, we as fetishists should understand the desire to be accepted for our turn-ons, so lets not persecute other people for theirs. Lets try and make Alert a celebration in pervery, whatever that may be, rather than a leather rubber tea party. So Dear organisers, please consider a dynamic and responsoive door policy, the world has enough rules in it, particularly ours, and creating further sets will only fragment your night and allow negativity to creep in. (kink anybody?) Simply refuse admission to people who haven’t turned up for a fetish night, and remember that variety is the spice of life and the key to the longevity, growth and popularity of Alert : )
Alert! Reply:
Scallydandan - thanks for your comments and thoughts on this matter. I don’t entirely agree with all your points, and certainly not that opening the debate was a bad move. Time will tell I suppose, but we hope that people on both sides of the argument are sensible enough to embrace the debate. After all, if there had only been 2% support for either argument then the matter would have been conclusive and nobody would have complained. We could have taken a completely unilateral stand on this and simply imposed a decision, but we chose not to do that and I feel that has actually been a very positive thing to do. If you read the thread you will see that by far the greater number of comments have been pro-scally and indeed those members have presented eloquent and compelling arguments. Yes, Alert! is our night, and ultimately we stand or fall by any decisions we make, but we would rather be open about the process. We would never have fully understood the depth of feeling or support for the scally movement without this poll. We ran a similar poll when we were considering introducing the dress code in the first place. Was that a mistake too? We also have to deal with realities here. We want Alert! to remain different from other club nights in the city and as such we are the only night with an enforced fetish dress code. But what is a fetish? Should we allow someone in wearing a suit and tie? A French Maid’s outfit? Wrapped entirely in cling film? One man’s fetish is another man’s normality. We have to draw the line somewhere if only to be able to police the dress code. If someone turns up in denim jeans and an Adidas top and says “this is my fetish”, do we let them in? Look at what we DO allow – we believe the dress code is broad and inclusive and we do interpret it each month when people arrive dressed in ways that challenge the rules. I remember the time before we had any dress code and we had far too many people turning up in casual street clothes to perv at the ‘freaks in fetish gear’ – THAT is certainly not the crowd we want to attract. Yes, we have our own views on all of this, but now those views are much more informed and we feel we will be able to make a decision that is right for Alert! going forward. As you imply, we’ll never please all the people all the time, but at least this way everyone has had a chance to express their view.
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Gary
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Well said smokinbiker/Glovedscally!! Alert/legends is one of the few places in the village where you can go along and be truly yourself without fear of riddicule in your particular fetish wear.. Im astounded by some of the comments on the forum here!! Primark indeed!!! for gods sake some people need to grow up and rapid,of course a night like alert needs a dress code otherwise it will just be like walking into any other club on a fri/sat eve,but to castigate a section of guys who wear a particular type of fetish wear and then justify it by suggesting they buy the gear from primark or go to Cruz 101 is just plain stupid and ignorrant, and its time the gay scene had a reality check!!!!,i really do despair sometimes!!!.
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Dan
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Surely people who choose to wear scally gear have a fetish too?? I am a big advocate of the dress code, and quite rightly think it should be enforced, however I think that it is wrong to stop people who choose to dress as scallys coming in. Jeans and t-shirts, quite rightly should be stopped, but who says scally gear is any less of a fetish than rubber/skin/leather/boots??
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Don - smokinbiker/glovedscally
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Once again it seems the queens of the north and elsewhere are trying to impose their pathetic gay rules on something they dont like because of?
Simple its basic, genuine, real and above all true to how it should be.
And the comment in regards to primark, just shows how stupid those people really are.
scally clothing, and i mean the real stuff, is expensive, £130+ for a pair of trainers, £90+ for a tracksuit etc so it’s not something I just wear ‘cos i cant be arsed to make the effort’.
What some of these comments clearly show are the depths in which the gay population will stoop to control and pigeon hole people into following the unwritten gay rules.
These so called ‘rules’ are all about an image, an image which quite frankly is created in the minds of arrogant, self-opinionated bigots who slate people for their age, weight, height, financial status, body tone, colour etc and why do they do this, easy. The majority of gay people have no manners, respect for others and assume they have the right to do or say whatever they like and get away with it.
You only have to look on the internet and peoples profiles:
‘only people up to 25, message me’
‘if you’re over 31, don’t bother making contact, too old’
‘only people with a waist size of 32 please’
‘if you dont have langlitz, i don’t want to know’
‘real bikers only ride R1 or R6′
‘dainese wearers only’
‘don’t like people with facial hair and a weight issue’
the list could go on and on.
I have never seen a group or society of people who on the one hand go balistic whenever the straight world slags them off, but then on the other hand impose these gay rules and becomes very bigoted, narrow minded, selfish, nasty, ignorant and in a lot of cases ageist, weightist, racist who are motivated to attack another gay person because they don’t conform to their idea of what a gay person should be wearing, looking like, acting like or indeed attending.
When are WE as a group of people going to turn around and say NO to this, when are we going to stop this gay culture which allows someone who doesn’t know the person, to ridicule, harrass and intimidate another human being into conforming to something they don’t want or need. The gay world should allow people to be themselves, be the person they want to be without interferance or intimidation.
I am a mancunian, born and bred in Moss Side, proud of where I came from and proud of the fact I worked for what I posess now. I wear the scally stuff, because it is something I have done most of my life, should I be stopped from wearing something which is part of the makeup of who I am, that has cost a lot of money, in some cases 1 item equivilant cost to a pair of leather jeans just to suit the narrow minded opinions of a select number of people?
I also have a £9000 motorbike, being a normal human being, who has bills to pay, insurance, petrol, tax, should I then only wear dainese leathers? According to some, those people who prance around in dainese, spending over £800 on a 1 piece suit AND WHO HAVE NO MOTORBIKER, I should, otherwise I shouldn’t go out in the bike leathers I have, as it’s ‘not what a biker should wear’.
The answer to that is a definate NO.
I can fully appreciate that organisers of events have a hard time with people who turn up in a pair of old trackies, tshirt and claim to be scally, or wear a harness and think thats a leather outfit, or walk in looking like a reject from GAP in fashion camos. This is something I truly believe needs to be prevented, otherwise it makes a joke of the whole event.
Organisers should clearly spell out a dress code, specific to each type of fetish, listing what can and can’t be worn. That way people who want to attend have a clear, structured guideline of what is acceptable and what isn’t.
Previously events give a very brief outline which is open to adaptability and this is what has lead to many wearing something which is not what is required.
So the answer is simple, structure the event with clear, definate guidelines, allow people to attend wearing clothing which isn’t about cost but about the fetish itself.
Full army gear
Full scally gear
Full leather - bike kit, uniform, suits etc
Full suits
Full rubber
Full football kit
etc etc etc, whatever the fetish is.
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Ian
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I dont have an issue with what people wear at Alert, as long as they make an effort! Whether that be Scally, rubber, leather, naked. Just as long as the outfit is an outfit and not a collection of clothes. I often see guys walking round in trackie bottoms, trainers and topless - having taken off a polo shirt… And to me, thats not gear! I understand how people may see the scally outfit as a no effort option - I dont necessarily agree especially if its a full scally outfit. Over the past couple of months, there seems to have been a lot of new, younger, guys at Alert, and I have friends who want to come along to the next alert. They have the money to buy the rubber, leather or whatever, but maybe they dont have the money to waste if they dont like it (Fetish gear, or Alert)… So maybe scally gear is a valid alternative for them to see if they like it all. If Alert puts barriers like the scally gear rule up that slow down or stop new people coming along, then how long can alert continue 
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Neil (siliconscally)
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I have to say I agree with all the comments made by the other Neil (verbalskin) anbd others about defining a fetish by the cost of what you are wearing. I’m glad to see that there is no quick rush to make a decision. I like to think I have tried to support Alert and Barracks before it as much as I can, and the guys who have made such an effort in organising it for us. I did, and still do, support the dresscode since many people were taking liberties - defining what is meant by scally gear is hard by definition since it is a street look rather than a dressing up look like leather or rubber. Perhaps we could compromise by allowing entry to guys in full tracksuits and trainers (or rockports) but not for just a t-shirt and trackies ? Like others, scally gear is just one of my turn ons and I have been to Alert in everything from scally gear, footie kit full rubber and leather depending on how I felt on a particular night.
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